This really seems broken...

[Rage]

You notice 115 gold crowns, 527 silver nobles, brass zills, 3 waterskins, 24
rope and grapples, scroll of prot. from evil, gilded robes, silver bracelet,
log raft, 6 copper amulets, 2 glass keys, emerald, dirty parchment, silver
gloves, ancient scroll, ashwood staff, 2 starsteel greathelms, silverwood rod
here.
Also here: Will*, Teferi*, Angruin*, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian.
Obvious exits: north, open door south, northeast
Teferi is searching the area.
[HP=870]:a Will
*Combat Engaged*
Will moves to attack everyone in the room.
Will says "@kill Rage"
Angruin says (to Will) "{no - party defence disabled}"
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian retches uncontrollably!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 17 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 15 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 20 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 14 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian retches uncontrollably!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 7 damage!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 1 damage!
The amethyst guardian slashes you for 9 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at you with their fine broadsword!
amethyst guardian retches uncontrollably!
The amethyst guardian swings at you with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 2 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian retches uncontrollably!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
amethyst guardian retches uncontrollably!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 6 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword!
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 12 damage!
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
A massive thunderclap blasts you for 44 damage!
You are dazed by the blast!
You are stunned!
Will says "@kill Rage"
Will says "@kill Rage"
Will says "@kill Rage"
Will says "@kill Rage"
Will says "@kill Rage"
Will casts mend on Will!
Angruin says (to Will) "{no - party defence disabled}"
[HP=817]:

You notice 115 gold crowns, 527 silver nobles, brass zills, 3 waterskins, 24
rope and grapples, scroll of prot. from evil, gilded robes, silver bracelet,
log raft, 6 copper amulets, 2 glass keys, emerald, dirty parchment, silver
gloves, ancient scroll, ashwood staff, 2 starsteel greathelms, silverwood rod
here.
Also here: Will*, Teferi*, Angruin*, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian.
Obvious exits: north, open door south, northeast
[HP=817]:/Mahjing @wait (can't move)
--- Telepath Sent to Mahjing ---
Will moves to attack you!
[PVP detected! (11:16 pm)]
Angruin says (to Will) "{no - party defence disabled}"
[HP=817]:

You notice 115 gold crowns, 527 silver nobles, brass zills, 3 waterskins, 24
rope and grapples, scroll of prot. from evil, gilded robes, silver bracelet,
log raft, 6 copper amulets, 2 glass keys, emerald, dirty parchment, silver
gloves, ancient scroll, ashwood staff, 2 starsteel greathelms, silverwood rod
here.
Also here: Will*, Teferi*, Angruin*, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian.
Obvious exits: north, open door south, northeast
[HP=817]:gb {Being attacked by Will}
You are stunned!
[HP=817]:l Will
You are stunned!
Will moves to attack you!
[PVP detected! (11:16 pm)]
[HP=817]:gb {Being attacked by Will}
You are stunned!
Angruin sings the song of beauty to Angruin!
[HP=813]:

You notice 115 gold crowns, 527 silver nobles, brass zills, 3 waterskins, 24
rope and grapples, scroll of prot. from evil, gilded robes, silver bracelet,
log raft, 6 copper amulets, 2 glass keys, emerald, dirty parchment, silver
gloves, ancient scroll, ashwood staff, 2 starsteel greathelms, silverwood rod
here.
Also here: Will*, Teferi*, Angruin*, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian.
Obvious exits: north, open door south, northeast
[HP=813]:

You notice 115 gold crowns, 527 silver nobles, brass zills, 3 waterskins, 24
rope and grapples, scroll of prot. from evil, gilded robes, silver bracelet,
log raft, 6 copper amulets, 2 glass keys, emerald, dirty parchment, silver
gloves, ancient scroll, ashwood staff, 2 starsteel greathelms, silverwood rod
here.
Also here: Will*, Teferi*, Angruin*, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian.
Obvious exits: north, open door south, northeast
[HP=813]:

You notice 115 gold crowns, 527 silver nobles, brass zills, 3 waterskins, 24
rope and grapples, scroll of prot. from evil, gilded robes, silver bracelet,
log raft, 6 copper amulets, 2 glass keys, emerald, dirty parchment, silver
gloves, ancient scroll, ashwood staff, 2 starsteel greathelms, silverwood rod
here.
Also here: Will*, Teferi*, Angruin*, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian,
amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian, amethyst guardian.
Obvious exits: north, open door south, northeast
[HP=813]:a wi
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
The amethyst guardian slashes Will for 14 damage!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian retches uncontrollably!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian retches uncontrollably!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
The amethyst guardian swings at Will with their fine broadsword, but he dodges!
amethyst guardian stares about blankly, drooling from the mouth.
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You are stunned!
You are stunned!
You are stunned!
You are stunned!
Will clobbers you for 45 damage!
Will clobbers you for 80 damage!
Will swings at at you!
You are stunned!
[HP=688]:a wi
You are stunned!
[HP=684]:a wi
Teferi moves to cast soul rip upon you.
Will moves to attack you!
You are stunned!
[HP=684]:a wi
You are stunned!
You are stunned!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You critically attack Will for 170 damage!
You lacerate Will wide open and blood gushes forth!
You are stunned!
You retch uncontrollably!
Will critically smashes you for 345 damage!
You are knocked off your feet, and land with a heavy thump!
You are flat on your back!
Will critically clobbers you for 303 damage!
Will critically crushes you for 329 damage!
You drop to the ground!
*Combat Off*
You have been killed!
You have been killed!
You have been killed!

[Gardner Denver]

If you are talking about the difference in dodge/accuracy between the two of you I think this probably factored into that

[Demtri]

So when can we see the player manager?

[Gardner Denver]

If testing continues to go well I'll have a new version ready tonight.  I will let everyone know.

[Demtri]

Need more testers?

[Rage]

So 100% dodge on a dwarf druid vs a witchy two levels above.  You're really saying this is ok??  At that point why would anyone ever play a melee...

and

how about him hitting me for close to 1k??  60% crit on a dwarf druid seems outrageous also...and this was not a lucky round, he does that all the time.

How about we throw in my 81/19 ac i had at the time, does that factor in somehow?

Something is off here....and it makes a class that CANNOT get increases to dodge or accuracy worthless.  I'm pretty sure combat 5 and the AC were supposed to counter some of that.

[Gardner Denver]

I didn't say it was ok, I said that might be part of why it went down that way.

[Rage]

If you are talking about the difference in dodge/accuracy between the two of you I think this probably factored into that

Is q&d accuracy/crits not shown here?

[Gardner Denver]

Stat bonuses are not reflected in that display.

[Rage]

Sooooo.....is there a plan to fix this or do i have a char with combat 5 highest combat possible, at a higher level, that can't hit someone in pvp???  a dwarf druid even..

Is armor class working at all when people swing at me?  Definately does not seem like it...i take more damage if i wear armor.






Negative Power Plane
You notice 1 gold crown here.
Obvious exits: northwest, southeast
The room is dimly lit
[HP=833]:nw
Negative Power Plane
You notice 1 gold crown here.
Also here: Will*, Angruin*.
Obvious exits: northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest, up, down
[HP=832]:a Will
*Combat Engaged*
Angruin is looking at you.
Will just left to the southeast.
[HP=832]:se
Negative Power Plane
You notice 1 gold crown here.
Also here: Will*, Angruin*.
Obvious exits: northwest, southeast
You swing at Will!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
Will just left to the northwest.
[HP=832]:nw
Negative Power Plane
You notice 1 gold crown here.
Also here: Will*, Angruin*.
Obvious exits: northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest, up, down
Will just left to the southeast.
[HP=846]:se
*Combat Off*
Negative Power Plane
You notice 1 gold crown here.
Also here: Will*, Angruin*.
Obvious exits: northwest, southeast
[HP=846]:l Angruin
[ Angruin  ](-= Oblivion =-)
Angruin is a colossal, heroically proportioned Dwarf Bard with short dark-brown
hair and forest-green eyes. He moves with catlike agility, and is incredibly
charismatic. You are almost overpowered by him strong personality. Angruin
appears to be bright and has a worldly air about him. He is unwounded.

He is equipped with:

stone javelin                  (Weapon Hand)
feather-tipped hat             (Head)
black dragon gauntlets         (Hands)
bone ring                      (Finger)
gold jeweled ring              (Finger)
black dragon boots             (Feet)
crimson bracers                (Arms)
lyrist's companion             (Back)
bone necklace                  (Neck)
black dragon leggings          (Legs)
shimmering sash                (Waist)
black embroidered robes        (Torso)
jeweled main-gauche            (Off-Hand)
sunstone wristband             (Wrist)
emerald-studded bracelet       (Wrist)
skull mask                     (Ears)
head of the woodelf lord       (Worn)

[HP=846]:nw

Will just left to the northwest.
[HP=846]:nw
Negative Power Plane
You notice 1 gold crown here.
Also here: Will*, Angruin*.
Obvious exits: northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest, up, down
Negative Power Plane
You notice 1 gold crown here.
Also here: Will*, Angruin*.
Obvious exits: northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest, up, down
[HP=845]:a Will
Will moves to attack you!
Will casts entangle on you, ensnaring you with powerful vines!
You are entangled!
Will moves to attack you!
You are entangled!
*Combat Engaged*
Will swing at at you, but you dodge out of the way!
Will smashes you for 81 damage!
You are knocked off your feet, and land with a heavy thump!
You are flat on your back!
Will critically clobbers you for 194 damage!
Will swings at at you!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
You swings at Will, but he dodges out of the way!
The disease dies down.
Will is looking at you.
Will moves to attack you!
Will critically smashes you for 186 damage!
Will critically crushes you for 209 damage!
Will clobbers you for 45 damage!
[HPs critically low! (06:25 pm)]
[Session ended (06:25 pm)]
Will critically crushes you for 293 damage!
You drop to the ground!
*Combat Off*
You have been killed!
You have been killed!
You have been killed!
Earthen Tomb
Obvious exits: up

[Gardner Denver]

Amour class does not prevent damage.  It makes you harder to hit.  A high accuracy build like Will has can overcome a witchunters AC.  DR is what reduces your damage and you have very little DR last time I looked.

Will has an insanely high amount of dodge which is why you have so much trouble hitting him back.

The problems will be addressed, but even in regular mud I  think the char Will has would probably smoke yours in PvP.

[Rage]

I have never seen the druid that could out-melee a witchunter.  You must be confused.  A druid needs trickery to take out a witchy, he shouldn't just be able to toe to toe him.

Druid out-melee a witchy...craziness...go research more

[Rorik]

It's not exactly crazy.  I've seen a Half Ogre Mage out-melee a Witchunter, both 50+ and the Witchy using his 5th quest reward.  It all depends on the build and gear.

Plus, MUD's not really exactly intended to be a serious RPG... it basically boils down to who can apply the mathematics of the game in the most advantageous manner.

[Gardner Denver]

Let's look at this again.  This is from the day of your original cap/post

	Rage	Will
Armour Class	32.5/3.8	41.6/9.7
Acc	5.0	44.0
Dodge	2.0	42.0
Crits	4.0	34.0

Wills character has you beat in every single stat there except combat.  I'm not talking about beating by just a little, in every thing but AC he has more than 9 times the amount you do.  He has 22 times more dodge than you.

I don't see why you don't think he should be able to mop the floor with you.  Melee druids are awesome if built properly, I've seen them take down witchies, pallys, warriors, even mages.

[Rage]

That's me naked Gard.

Try it again with me fully geared like i was at the time.

How about you show stats that include everything?  I am q&d with my spear, that's definitely not reflecting here.

Druid's don't crit 60% with TSM, i don't care if you have the best gear in the game there is usually a cap.  They also shouldn't dodge 100%, again i don't care if you have the best gear in the game.

Talk all the stats you want, 60% crit and 100% dodge isn't right.  It's not the stats I think are mistaken, I think it's the formula's.  Dodge & crits BOTH are nowwhere near where they are in reg mud.