Is this a bug or intended on how backstabs and stealth should

[y2duhh]

Obannion moves to attack you!
Obannion swings at you!
Obannion critically punches you for 25 damage!
Obannion punches you for 4 damage!
Obannion punches JUGGERNAUT, but the swing glances off!
Obannion punches you for 8 damage!
Obannion punches you for 2 damage!
Phucough gossips: depending on the situation, considering if you were attacked a
fter your bs. but yea
[HP=367/MA=80]:free
You cast freedom on JUGGERNAUT!
[HP=367/MA=70]:s
sneak
n
bs oba
Crimson Passage
Obvious exits: north, east, west
Attempting to sneak...
Sneaking...
Crimson Chamber
Also here: Bergstrom*, Obannion*.
Obvious exits: south
*Combat Engaged*
You surprise punch Obannion for 140 damage!
Obannion swings at you!
Obannion swing at you, but you dodge out of the way!
Obannion punches you for 6 damage!
Obannion punches you for 4 damage!
Obannion punches you for 4 damage!
Obannion punches you for 3 damage!
[HP=350/MA=70]:free
*Combat Off*



I can move a room sneak and come back in and rebs while he still has combat engaged? how does that make any sense? especailly with QND gone.

[y2duhh]

Is this the way this intended to work?

Here are the steps to reproduce

A attacks B
B moves one room
B sneaks
B moves back into room with A
B backstabs A

neither player will break combat.

[mr sinister]

combat will automatically break if the round ends and both people are in different rooms. if the move is made within the combat round, combat does not break, unless you type 'break'.
as for QnD having anything to do with this. . .?

[y2duhh]

obivously you didnt see the problem? if combat is engaged by player A then how is player B leaving the room,  sneaking and coming back in and  backstabbing him while player A is still engaged on player B?

[Zetetic]

From memory what would happen on regular Majormud, when player B moves out of the room and attempts to sneak, it will say 'you cannot sneak right now' until the combat round fires. I also seem to remember that if you attempt to backstab someone that already has combat engaged on you, you will just perform a normal attack, not a backstab.

I do have some conflicting memories about this though. It'd be nice to have a regular mud board to test this stuff out. It'd make submitting bug reports much easier.

[y2duhh]

From memory what would happen on regular Majormud, when player B moves out of the room and attempts to sneak, it will say 'you cannot sneak right now' until the combat round fires. I also seem to remember that if you attempt to backstab someone that already has combat engaged on you, you will just perform a normal attack, not a backstab.

I do have some conflicting memories about this though. It'd be nice to have a regular mud board to test this stuff out. It'd make submitting bug reports much easier.

No you are 100% correct, this is how it works in regular mud. After seeing both Gardner and Deathcow discuss this I am trying to figure out if this is how they intended this to work or is this a bug, I would love a reply from Gardner or Vitoc on this matter.

[Gardner Denver]

Is this the way this intended to work?

Here are the steps to reproduce

A attacks B
B moves one room
B sneaks
B moves back into room with A
B backstabs A

neither player will break combat.

No this was not the way it was intended.  In fact code was put in to try and prevent this from happening.

[Torque]

Is this the same situation as what you're talking about?



[11]:w
bs bootsy
Sneaking...
Misty Bog
You notice 77 gold crowns, 2 silver nobles, 5 copper farthings, nightblack
portal here.
Also here: Bootsy*, JUGGERNAUT.
Obvious exits: east
*Combat Engaged*
JUGGERNAUT attempts to cast entangle, but fails.
JUGGERNAUT moves to attack you!
JUGGERNAUT moves to attack you!
You surprise slice Bootsy for 216 damage!
JUGGERNAUT cuts you for 13 damage!
JUGGERNAUT cuts you for 8 damage!
JUGGERNAUT jabs you for 18 damage!
JUGGERNAUT stabs you for 23 damage!
JUGGERNAUT stabs you for 9 damage!
JUGGERNAUT stabs you for 12 damage!
[HP=361/MA=40]:e
bre
sn
bs
Misty Bog
You notice 13 silver nobles here.
Obvious exits: north, south, west, northeast
*Combat Off*
Attempting to sneak...
[11]:Your command had no effect.
[11]:sn
Attempting to sneak...
[11]:mend
You cast mend on Torque, regenerating 23 damage!
[11]:hide
Attempting to hide...
[11]:sn
Attempting to sneak...
[11]:sn
Attempting to sneak...
[1:w
bs bootsy
Sneaking...
Misty Bog
You notice 77 gold crowns, 2 silver nobles, 5 copper farthings, nightblack
portal here.
Also here: Bootsy*, JUGGERNAUT.
Obvious exits: east
*Combat Engaged*
JUGGERNAUT moves to attack you!
JUGGERNAUT moves to attack you!
You surprise cut Bootsy for 200 damage!
JUGGERNAUT cuts you for 20 damage!
JUGGERNAUT critically stabs you for 66 damage!
JUGGERNAUT jabs you for 15 damage!
JUGGERNAUT jabs you for 8 damage!
JUGGERNAUT stabs you for 18 damage!
JUGGERNAUT cuts you for 17 damage!
[11]:bre
*Combat Off*
[11]:bs
*Combat Engaged*
[11]:e
rest
*Combat Off*
Bootsy drops to the ground!
Bootsy is dead.
Bootsy is dead.
Bootsy is dead.
Bootsy just disconnected!!!

[y2duhh]

Nice edit troll fail

but correct me if im wrong if we dont see another bug here,


In regular mud if you cast a spell on someone and they are sneaking into the room (which you can do even if you are not gaunt) it breaks their backstab and all theydo is get a regular round:

*Combat Engaged*
JUGGERNAUT attempts to cast entangle, but fails.
JUGGERNAUT moves to attack you!
JUGGERNAUT moves to attack you!
You surprise slice Bootsy for 216 damage!

This should of canceled out his backstab regardless of any other actions at least thats the wayit works in mmud

[Torque]

Juggernaut you idiot, you can't both refute my capture and then use it as a valid observational resource

[y2duhh]

I think I just did.

[Torque]

Retraction accepted

[y2duhh]

No retraction Dorkster.
here are your edits:
[HP=361/MA=40]:e
bre
sn
bs
Misty Bog
You notice 13 silver nobles here.
Obvious exits: north, south, west, northeast
*Combat Off*
Attempting to sneak...
[11]:Your command had no effect.
[11]:sn
Attempting to sneak...
[11]:mend
You cast mend on Torque, regenerating 23 damage!
[11]:hide
Attempting to hide...
[11]:sn
Attempting to sneak...
[11]:sn
Attempting to sneak...
[1:w
bs bootsy
Sneaking...


Obviously you tried to edit out all your hps but you failed.  Other than that the bugs in the cap still stand fail edits or not.  Also if I kept caps of pvp like every other nerd on this bbs does you would see from my end that I never broke combat once so you coming back in the room bsing bootsy should not have happened regardless of me reengaging on you when you came in that was just to fail my entangle.

[Gardner Denver]

You two can trash talk each other all day long in the trash talk section.  Keep this part on reporting bugs only.

[y2duhh]

So gardner do consider those two items bugs?

first being the ability to backstab someone while combat is engaged on you and the second being the backstab after a spell has been cast on you (I also wonder if I have landed my entangle if the backstab would of still landed)